Well, I finally bit the bullet today, and made a trip to harbor freight to purchase my new 20 ton shop press !. 18 years working on atvs, motorcycles, small engines, I not once have I used a shop press, good ole hammer and bench vise..lol. well, today I spent about $ 150.00 OTD with taxes. I read a ton of reviews for this shop press, and everyone seemed to be pretty happy. time will tell for me, lol.